Some Christians are coming around to the scriptural fact
that the rapture will not occur until after Seal 6 is opened—which I present a
Biblical proof of that fact in The Coming Epiphany. However some of those
Christians who see the rapture occurring after the Sixth Seal is opened believe
that the Sixth Seal and rapture are imminent because they believe that Seals 1
to 5 have already been opened, and thus Seal 6 and the rapture are the next
event in the prophetic time line. In my eyes this is scripturally impossible
and is also practically as dangerous as believing in a pre-tribulation rapture.
Let me tell you why.
First off it is impossible for Seal 5 to have been opened.
Here is why; consider these verses.
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by
the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in
mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us,
as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any
means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself
above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God
The scriptures above clearly tell us that our gathering
together unto Him— the rapture—called the day of Christ in the passage, will
not occur until after the man of sin—the antichrist—is revealed and he sits in
the Temple and proclaims that he is god—the abomination of desolation.
Thus the rapture
occurs after the abomination of desolation.
And when does the abomination of desolation occur? It occurs
near the midpoint of the 70th Week (the 70th Week is the
last 7 years before the return of Christ to the earth at Armageddon). We know
this because Israel
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken
of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him
understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee
into the mountains…
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not
since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24
And to the woman were given two
wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place,
where she is nourished for a time, and
times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. Revelation
12:14
Thus Israel
As mentioned in verse 24 above the time period in which Israel
And he shall speak great words
against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and
think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Daniel 7:25
14 And to the woman were given two
wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place,
where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of
the serpent…
17 And the dragon was wroth with the
woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the
commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation
12: 14, 17
And it was given unto him to make
war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all
kindreds, and tongues, and nations. Revelation 13:7
Thus the Great Tribulation
also occurs after the abomination of desolation.
And where is this Great Tribulation/persecution/war against
Jews and Christians found in the sequence of events in the book of Revelation? It
is found in the description of Seal 5.
9 And when he had opened the fifth
seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of
God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice,
saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our
blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11 And white robes were given unto
every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a
little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should
be killed as they were, should be fulfilled. Rev 6: 9-11
Thus Seal 5 occurs
after the abomination of desolation and since Seal 6 and the rapture occurs
after Seal 5, therefore Seal 6 and the rapture occurs after the abomination of
desolation.
Abomination of
desolation—Great tribulation (Seal 5)—Rapture (Seal 6).
Therefore it is scripturally impossible for seal 5 to have
occurred yet, because the antichrist has not arisen and performed the
abomination of desolation, and begun his war against Jews and Christians. Thus since Seal 5 has not occurred yet, Seal
6 and the rapture are not imminent.
How about Seals 2-4, have they occurred yet? Before we
answer that question let’s look at what they entail; Seal 2 is a world war,
Seal 3 is a worldwide financial collapse, and seal 4 is a worldwide pandemic.
3 And when he had opened the second
seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
4 And there went out another horse
that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from
the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him
a great sword.
5 And when he had opened the third
seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black
horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
6 And I heard a voice in the midst
of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of
barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.
7 And when he had opened the fourth
seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
8 And I looked, and behold a pale
horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And
power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with
sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
Some argue that since we have seen world wars, financial
collapses, and pandemics, that these Seals have been opened. Granted, similar
things have been happening from the dawn of time, however a world war, a worldwide
financial collapse, and a worldwide pandemic killing ¼ of the world’s
population has not occurred in the history of the world.
Has there ever been a time when literally the whole world
has been involved in war? Has there ever been a time when the average person in
the world had to spend a whole day’s wages just to get a measure of grain? Has
there ever been a time when a pandemic has struck the whole world? Has there
ever been a time when war, financial collapse, and a pandemic have wiped out ¼
of the world’s population? I answer NO
to all of them. So not only has Seal 5 not been opened, but I also conclude
that Seals 2-4 have not been opened either.
Another reason why I believe Seals 2-4 have not been opened
is because a former Illuminati insider has told us that “the plan” calls for
the antichrist to arise on the scene 91 days after WWIII (Seal 2) begins. It is
in this same time period that Seal 3-4, along with other horrific events, are
also planned to occur. After this 91 day period “the plan” calls for the antichrist
to come onto the scene to falsely solve the world’s problems. This is also the
time that the New World Order will be established, which he will be the leader
of for the last 3.5 years of the 70th Week.
5 And there was given unto him a
mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to
continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in
blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that
dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make
war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all
kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth
shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb
slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him
hear. Revelation 13
Thus in conclusion; according to scriptural parameters, the
Sixth Seal and rapture must occur after the abomination of desolation. The
abomination of desolation has not occurred yet; therefore the Sixth Seal and rapture are not imminent. To believe
otherwise is unscriptural.
The Thessalonians were having trouble with their beliefs
about the timing of the rapture; they thought that either the Day of the
Lord/rapture was about to occur or that they were already in the Day of the Lord
and they missed the rapture. God through Paul addressed this issue, and Paul
told them that the rapture and Day of the Lord could not happen until after the
abomination of desolation took place. Now reread the first passage I brought to
your attention with those ideas in mind.
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord
Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither
by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is
at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called
God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God
Do you now see that the abomination of desolation must occur
before the rapture? I hope so, but the choice is yours; will you choose to
believe the rapture will not happen until after the abomination of desolation
in accordance with what Paul said above, or will you choose to continue
believing the false and dangerous theory that the rapture is the next major
prophecy event.
Why is that dangerous? Because it leaves you totally
unprepared for Seals 2-5, and especially Seal 5, where you will not be able to
buy or sell without taking the mark.
If you would like to read a more thorough explanation of why
the rapture will not occur until after the abomination of desolation and or to
learn what you must do to prepare for the troublous times ahead, read The Coming Epiphany—FREE download.
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Right on Bro! The Lord let me see the error of my pre-trib thinking about 20 years ago. Been through Y2K, 2012, and all of Campbell's dribble and tripe. I'm still watching and waiting as the Lord said. Things are tougher now in a way. We have instant world-wide news at our finger tips. And we also have more view points that are not based on Scipture. I believe the first seal has not been opened yet, but the way i read it; just as you posted, the revealing of the beast will be THE event even the pre-trib crowd will not be able to argue about. Will us watchers be able to figure out who he is before this event? I don't know because this word is the same Greek word as the Lord being revealed from heaven(601-602 apokalypto). If we tie the angels warning the whole world not to take the mark, and the two witnesses (Rev 11,14), no one will miss it. And if you take the mark your name is not written in the book of life. (Rev 13:8). So keep up the good work! Hey was wanting to hear your take on God having a 7000 year plan to bring in the eternal Kingdom. So 6000 for the end of this age, and 1000 for the millenium. The jewish calendar is 5774 i think. Heck, it sure seems like we are close, but? That is why Jesus gave us signs and told us to watch. The fig tree is a little weak IMO. Luke 21:29 Jesus says, "and all trees". So basically we gotta watch for the signs Jesus said, and you pointed out; as most of the book of Revelation is just extra commentary on the Olivette discourse. Thanks, and try have a good Christmas! It is hard with the "Duck" getting kicked off TV. :) Oh boy, no free speach for us Christians. But hey, this aint our country. Heaven is ours, no matter how bad it gets here! Heb 11:13-16 :)
ReplyDeleteTHX for your input and encouragement. One thing is for sure, every day we get one day closer to heaven and or the rapture. Merry Christmas to you too.
DeleteObama is the Antichrist. Much evidence is in. Google it! See TheJonathanKleck channel, etc.. We are RIGHT NOW between the 2nd & 3rd Seals in the Book of Revelation chapter 6. Fukushima was the 1st; Rider with arrowless bow (Killing us softly) & Arab Spring is the 2nd. Google Ghost Horses - One was caught on CCTV at Fukushima & One in the Tahir Square pre-Morsi uprising, by Network Camera's. The 3rd being Worldwide Economic Collapse which could happen anytime soon. The Rapture may even be a catalyst for Collapse. (saw a few credible (imho) Dreams & Visions Videos of the Rapture, preceding Economic Collapse! Saw many, many more Beautiful Dreams & Visions Videos of the Rapture occurring, when the Nukes are coming down, we're Going Up! :-) The 4th Seal entails Death being unleashed upon this planet, killing 1/4 of it's population, & this is KEY - with Hell following (literally). The Hellish Creatures that will be unleashed, will be like as depicted in recent movies. That's the Illuminati Way. To put it in our faces via Pop Culture & it also serves as Coded Messages to their brethren. The Illuminati are EAGERLY awaiting the Rapture so that (Obama) the Son of Perdition can be revealed (come into full satanic power & be made manifest) & their evil plans may begin. See 2Thessalonians chapter 2. Therefore, the Rapture of the Bride of Christ will happen before the 4th Seal is Opened, because GOD won't have His Faithful, subject to that sort of evil. Be one of the 5 Wise Virgins in Matthew 25:1-13 anxiously awaiting The Bridegrooms Return, and not be Left Behind, Church. There are two Returns of Christ mentioned in the New Testament. In the first He comes as like a thief in the night. This is the Rapture & we are Warned to be always at the ready for this, so as not to miss it! His second Return will be Glorious, and every eye shall see Him Coming in the sky! Coming back to Conquer & Reign as KING of kings & LORD of lords. Alleluia!!! Praise His Holy name - JESUS!!! The 6th Seal is of course physical Pole Shift. Revelation 6:14 perfectly describes how the sky will look to us from Earth; "receding like a scroll", as the Earth rolls over. DM me email if you want links & further evidence (Scripture references) & insight into what I've outlined above. Peace To All who have ears to hear & eyes to see, what the LORD is bringing forth.
ReplyDeleteComet ISON is the Harbinger to the (6th Seal) physical Pole Shift; "and the sky was rolled up like a scroll" - Revelation 6:14. That's just how it will look from earth, as this planet rolls over during physical Pole Shift. The cause of this will be the close approach of Nibiru Sun / Brown Dwarf Star, our 2nd Sun, which comes into our inner Solar System approximately every 3657 years, from it's Elliptical Orbit. The Ancient Sumerians called it The Destroyer! Looking at it from the Hopi prophecy's perspective ISON is the Blue Kachina, which is the Harbinger of the Red Kachina. Also a Destroyer of worlds. The approaching Brown Dwarf Star is said to be made up mostly of Iron, thus it's red appearance. Comet ISON has already began exhibiting a Blue color quality. Go to AstralTraveler channel for Hard Evidence of Earth Affecting Space Weather Data & Much More Proving the Close Proximity of a 2nd Sun. I have the BEST video topping my Favorites, which captures the 2nd Sun, Red and with Wings just as The Ancient Sumerians depicted it. May sound crazy, but I've also found Hard Evidence that we are squarely in the "Birth pangs" and are sitting right Now, between the 2nd & 3rd Seals in Revelation chapter 6. The Time is Short! DM me your email & I'll send you my summary :-)
The first four seals represent the fall of the Roman Empire, which was the iron legs in the vision of Daniel 2 and the fourth beast in Daniel 7.
DeletePagan Rome persecuted Christians relentlessly, seeking to stamp them out, so God judged them for their actions.
The color of the horses represents the condition of the Roman people at that time, and the rider represents the cause of their condition.
The white horse in the first seal represent the glorious time of the Roman Empire from 96-180 A.D.
This was a time of their greatest expansion and their military conquests were celebrated by riding white horses in their victory parades.
Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius had a coin struck that had him wearing his laurel crown on one side and the back had him going forth and conquering.
Their conquests expanded the Roman Empire until it occupied much of the territories of the three preceding empires of Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece.
The bow relates to the Cretan Dynasty of Nerva(from Crete), Trajan, Hadrian and Antoninus and Aurelius; and each of those men had a bow as his symbol.
Cretan warriors were known as the most famous bowmen in the ancient world.
The crown represents the laurel wreathes of victory that were worn by the Caesars after their armies had won a military battle.
The red horse of the second seal represents a time bloodshed during the Roman civil war from 185-284 A.D.
Changing from white to red indicated the change from peace to bloodshed.
The next era of the Romans was a bloody time and the horseman has a sword.
When the Cretan Dynasty came to an end, this marked the beginning of Rome's downfall. They went into a phase of revolution and civil war for 90 years, there were 32 Emperors and 27 contenders for the throne.
The Emperors were being poisoned, killed, etc. They were using the sword against each other and there was much bloodshed.
During this period peace was taken from the Roman Empire, which was constantly torn by bloody battles between rival competitors for power.
The black horse of the third seal represents a time of despair and gloom in Rome from 200-250 A.D.
The black horse represents the despair and gloom of the Roman people, as they were taxed excessively to pay for all of the wars, which causes a major depression.
The pair of balances represented the justice and commerce of the Roman Empire, and the balance and scales were also stamped on their coins.
Oil, wine and wheat were what they collected taxes on, that were passed onto Rome.
As the taxes increased, the burden got heavier on the people and they were ground down and they suffered as the economy declined.
A measure of wheat for a penny was how they paid their taxes.
To hurt not the oil and the wine, means to be not unjust to them, in other words, let the taxation be fair.
The prices given for wheat, barley and the oil were the exact price at the time of Emperor Severus Alexander 222-235 AD
The agricultural industry was ruined under this heavy taxation, which lead to famine. People moved away from the farmlands into the cities, where they would suffer from the famine.
The pale horse of the fourth seal represents a time of death in the Roman Empire from 250-300 A.D.
The pale horse represents an era of famine, pestilence and death in the Roman Empire, where 1/4th of the population died.
The pale horseman rode force and the Roman empire crumbled into the most dreadful state of disorder and chaos.
At this point, the Rome society had almost completely broken down, resulting in famine, plaque and death.
Famine lead to disease, and at one time, 5,000 people were dying every day.
Historian Edward Gibbon recorded that one quarter of the population of the entire Roman Empire died of famine, plaque, pestilence, and of the violence.
I'm working on a Bible study about the fulfillment of the Seals, Trumpets and Vials of Revelation, and hope to have it completed soon.
Click my name to link to a Bible study that covers the prophecies in Daniel, 2 Thes 2 and Revelation, which clearly reveals who the Antichrist is.
Bob, my timing may not be the same as yours, but one thing we both agree on: Obama is the son of perdition! I had mulled the idea over in my mind, but until a couple of years or so ago, I wouldn't say either way. The Lord started showing me things around the beginning of 2012, and well before the 2012 election, I became convinced.
DeleteOne morning early last fall, I had something on my mind that I just couldn't shake. I was trying to figure out what role George W. Bush played in this grand opera we see playing out now. I didn't talk about this with anyone else...it was just something between the Lord and me...but I asked the Lord to show me who Bush really was. An hour or so later when I was taking a shower, He spoke three words to me that told me exactly what I wanted to know: "John the Baptist"! I understood perfectly ~ Bush prepared the way for Obama, just as John prepared the way for Jesus.
After that, I kept asking the Lord to show me more, to confirm to me that I understood Him. Since that time, the Lord has shown me things about Obama so many times that I can't even count them all. I have had uncanny things occur that just have no other explanation. And since Obama's second election that was a complete sham, it's like all hell has broken loose in this country and in the world...and he seems to have his wretched hands in all of it. One word that truly describes him is "lawless".
Just musing here, but is it possible that the rider of the white horse is meant to signify the man in the white house?
Mary Haas
Hi Mary - Yes, I'm aware that most Prophecy teachers interpret Seal #1 as the Antichrist & this may well be so. I'm leaning more toward Fukushima because of the Ghost Horse seen on CCTV there, & the fact that radiation from same is killing us softly (Rider w/Bow & No Arrows). Subscribe to ENEnews.com to see the true extent of #FUKUSHIMA on this planet. Either way I see the Key to the End of days Timeline being Obama as the Antichrist. The reason I say that is he was named the Nobel Peace prize winner on 10/09/09. When he was in Norway at that time the Norway Spiral occurred. Now count 1260 Days (3.5 Years - A year back then was 360 Days - Earth is Expanding) from 10/09/09 & you come to 3/22/13. This was when Obama rode into Jerusalem on a donkey (democrat) mimicking Jesus entry on Palm Sunday before the Passover Feast. Also Obama visited The Church of the Nativity and while there he remained standing while all others Kneel at Christ Jesus birthplace.
DeleteMark 13:14 - King James Version (KJV)
14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
and
Matthew 24:15 - King James Version (KJV)
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Also Barack Obama in Ancient Aramaic translates; "Lightning Fallen from on High". So you are very correct in your understanding of the LORD's leading you Mary (imho).
When the "Man of Peace", Barack Obama was revealed on 10/09/09, I believe this starts the Countdown to Jesus Return at His Glorious Second Coming, when all of the world will see Him. This would bring that to be in the Fall of 2016, which many Prophecy teachers concur is likely because of the Tetrad of Blood Moons in 2014-15 falling on Jewish Holy Feast Days. When the Bible cautions us that we won't know the Day or the Hour; I think this more strongly applies to the Rapture. Wherein Jesus will come then like a thief in the night for His Bride & He cautions us to always be at the ready, lest we be Left Behind. This (imho) is clearly stated in the Parable by Jesus of the 10 Virgins in Matthew 25:1-13. Five were taken to the Wedding Feast by the Bridegroom & five were not. At any rate; keep looking up for our Redemption draweth nigh. I have much more to say in a summary that I've prepared. If you want to see it email me at rjd_free@yahoo.com :-)
I do not think we will know for sure who the antichrist is until the we see the prophecies fulfilled. I think the ghost horse was a hologram. You are right Fukushima is very bad. 2016 cannot be the year of the second coming because that would require the antichrist to take over the world in spring 2013 which did not happen. It could be 2017, though.
DeleteDavid
DeleteI disagree that the Seals have been opened, and after you see WWIII break out in the near future, you will agree
You state that it is impossible for Seal 5 to have been opened, based on the premise that 2 Thes. 2:1-4 has not been fulfilled.
ReplyDeleteTo understand that passage, let’s look at how Jesus defined the word “temple.”
In John 2:14, Jesus spoke of the physical temple. The Greek word for the physical temple is hieron.
“And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business.”
Then just five verses later in John 2:19-20, Jesus spoke of the spiritual temple. The Greek word for the spiritual temple is naos.
“Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this TEMPLE, and in three days I will raise it up.” But He was speaking of the temple of His body.”
Whenever Paul used the word naos, he applied it to followers of Jesus, the Christian Church, and never to a physical temple!
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which TEMPLE you are.”
Ephesians 2:19-22 ”Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy TEMPLE in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
Paul used the word naos in 2 Thes. 4, as the spiritual temple which is made up of followers of Jesus, Christians.
Paul is saying that the Son of Perdition would sit in the temple of God, that is, in the Christian church.
Paul places the Son of Perdition nowhere else than in the very sanctuary of God.
Paul is telling us that he would pretend to be Christian in order to deceive the world, which lines up directly with the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope who pretend to be Christian.
Pope Innocent III declared “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.”
Pope Pius V blasphemed that “The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth.”
Pope John Paul II said “Don’t go to God for forgiveness of sins: come to me.”
Current Pope Francis I said “You cannot find Jesus outside the Church.”
Instead of being an infidel who doesn’t believe in God, like so many pastors teach, the Antichrist does not reign outside of the Church, but in the very bosom of the Church.
The Pope sits (assumes a position of authority) as God in the temple of God.
The Pope is called the ‘Vicar of Christ’ which means ‘substitute for Christ.’
He proclaims to forgive sins.
He proclaims that salvation is only available through the Roman Catholic Church.
He preaches a message of ‘salvation by works’, instead of through the blood of Jesus.
The Pope of the Roman Catholic Church misleads 1.2 Billion Catholics into believing that salvation is by works through them, not by faith in Jesus Christ.
So your premise is not correct, the Son of Perdition was identified by Martin Luther, John Calvin and many other Protestant Reformers in the 16th century.
And there has been a great falling away... from truth.
When Paul was talking about the abomination of desolation he was referring to the physical temple in Jerusalem. Many people make the mistake of spiritualizing away the literal meaning of scripture. When you do that you can make scripture say whatever you want it to say.
DeleteI do not think the Pope will be the antichrist, a future Pope will more likely be the false prophet
Hi William,
DeleteIn what verse did Paul talk about the abomination of desolation?
Perhaps you meant the "son of perdition."
Is the temple in 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 a literal temple? Yes, for God's Word declares that we literally are the temple of God.
Is it a literal building that you can walk into? No
1 Corinthians 3:16-17 “Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.”
Is the temple in Ephesians 2:19-22 a literal temple? Yes, for God's Word declares that we collectively form a holy temple in the Lord.
Is it a literal building that you can walk into? No
”Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief corner stone, in whom the whole building, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.”
So the temple of God is both literal and spiritual.
The Pope is the Son of Perdition, who sits in a literal temple in the Vatican, and in the spiritual temple, proclaiming to be Christian.
And as Daniel 7:8 foretold, he speaks pompous words.
Pope Innocent III said “We may according to the fullness of our power, dispose of the law and dispense above the law. Those whom the Pope of Rome doth separate, it is not a man that separates them but God. For the Pope holdeth place on earth, not simply of a man but of the true God.”
Pope John Paul II said “Don’t go to God for forgiveness of sins: come to me.”
As for the Antichrist...
Antichrist doesn't just mean "against Christ." It can also mean "in place of Christ."
The Pope proclaims to be the "Vicar of Christ," which means "substitute for Christ."
Pope Pius IX said “I alone… am the successor of the apostles, the vicar of Jesus Christ. I am the way, the truth, and the life…”
The word ‘antichristos’ is the Greek word for Antichrist. Translated into English it means "Vicar of Christ", which the Pope has claimed as his title.
In 1303 A.D. Pope Boniface VIII said in his infamous Bull ‘Unam Sanctam’, “We declare, assert, define and pronounce to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every creature altogether necessary for salvation… I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all, and above all, so that God Himself and I, the Vicar of Christ, have but one consistory, and I am able to do almost all that God can do. What therefore, can you make of me but God?”
Vicar of Christ in Latin is ‘Vicarius Filii Dei’, which equates numerically to the number 666.
Revelation 13:18 tells us “Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.”
The beast is the Roman Catholic Church. The man is the Pope.
Please read http://romancatholicbeliefs.org to see all of the Bible verses that talk about the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope.
Again; you can literally interpret the Bible or spiritualize away the meaning to make it fit you theory.
DeleteIn this book scripture will be interpreted according to the following principle: “When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.”[1] In other words, scripture will be interpreted literally unless it is evident that a symbolic interpretation is warranted by the text. Theological systems will then be evaluated in light of what the Bible says and not the other way around, as many books on this topic do. From The Coming Epiphany
Hi William,
DeleteSo let's apply the principle that scripture should be interpreted literally unless it is evident that a symbolic interpretation is warranted by the text, to Matthew 24:15-16.
"Therefore when you see the 'abomination of desolation,' spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place" then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
The literal (and correct interpretation) is that this warning only applies to people in Judea.
Yet, you're teaching that it applies to the whole world.
You are correct that the literal and correct interpretation is that this applies to the people of Judea as I have clearly stated in The Coming Epiphany.
DeleteHere we notice the phrase “in that day” and “in that night.” These phrases are referring to a period of time, namely the great tribulation. It starts with the Abomination of Desolation—at which time Israel is told to flee to the wilderness—and ends with the rapture. The Abomination of Desolation is referred to as happening in “the day,” and then the rapture “at night.” No matter how you look at it, the use of these chronological phrases, “in that day” and “in that night,” irrefutably places the rapture after the Abomination of Desolation. p. 56
So I am glad that you have come around to see that a literal interp is the only way to approach God's Word lest you make scripture say what you want.
It is funny how many people come to God's Word with preconceived theories and try to make God's Word fit their theory rather that let God's Word form their theory.
I'm jumping in here on the side of spiritual interpretation. If you were to take it literally, There would be 7 headed monsters and frogs and locusts. If you take the literal measurement if the temple in revelation it wouldn't fit in Israel. BTW in January 2013, I saw (in the spirit)the abomination of desolation standing in the Temple and he flipped over a card he was holding that had written on it the "empty set" sign. He was definitely proclaiming himself to be god. God seeks worshippers who worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. Literal is for carnal men who try to connect the dots. They want control. The kingdom is spiritual. Without spiritual eyes, you can't see it.
DeleteSome of scripture is figurative but the majority of it is literal. To spiritualize away the literal meaning of scripture allows one to make scripture say something that it does not.
DeleteMy brother, please read the following article: http://beginningandend.com/day-lord-event-starts-world/. It clearly describes what the bible says when the end times start. When you compare scripture against scripture and ignore everything you have heard from people who teach pre-trib, mid-trib and post-trib theories, you will see what God tells us about the rapture thru his word. And as for your theory on the anti-Christ, I urge you to read this: http://beginningandend.com/is-the-antichrist-revealed-before-the-rapture/. There is a difference between The Day of the Lord and The Day of Christ in the bible. The Day of the Lord is an imminent day where God supernaturally takes the bride (his church) from this earth and starts his wrath with everyone left behind. No one knows when that day will happen. But he does say that there will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. The day of Christ which is referred to in 2 Thes 2:1-5 is actually a day that is expected and that day shall not come to pass until the falling away and the son of perdition be revealed. It is the day of Armageddon when Christ returns with his saints and defeats the anti-Christ and start his millennial reign. Seals 1 - 5 have already been broken. Please read: http://beginningandend.com/the-red-moon-rapture-the-biblical-timing-of-the-rapture/. And read: http://beginningandend.com/who-are-the-multitude-of-revelation-chapter-7/. I hope these studies help you in finding the true word of God when comparing scripture against scripture and not using man made theories on prophecy. God bless.
ReplyDeleteThe day of Christ and the day of the Lord use the same Greek word, they are synonymous. I disagree that the seals have been opened, when you see WWIII then you will see Seal 2
DeleteDave,I will have to disagree with you about naos. Just one verse latter (jhn 2:20) naos is used for the temple building. All of Revelation uses naos even when John is measuring the temple with a rod. So you have to let the context determine how to interpret the passage. All you have to do is look at all the passages in Strong's. The key is Jesus taught us to the same thing Paul did in Matt 24:15. It is clear the abomination of desolation stands in the "holy place".(the temple) And when we read Dan 7, 9:24-27, 12, as Jesus points us to, we see it is all about Israel, and the holy city, Jerusalem. Is this not the context? Even John confirms this when he teaches us the two witnesses will lay out in the street in " Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified". Rev 11:8, and "the holy city" verse 11:2. So there is no need to spiritualize 2nd Thess 4. I agree, the Pope is not my man either, and i do not agree with the Catholic doctrine or leadership. But there are lay people within the church that will not deny the Lord when the chips are down, and many have already done this. Who knows, maybe some things you say will turn out to be true. It is good to have this conversation, but we must correctly divide the word of truth even if it means we are wrong about some things.(2nd Tim 2:15). I have been corrected many times and will continue to listen and go over what i think i know. This is what being a Berean is all about. (Acts 17:11) I don't hold to any one denominational teaching and believe God left us His word so we could understand it with only an average intelligence and some study. Time will tell on all this stuff, but by comparing Rev 6:9-11, and 20:4 we learn that the martyrs will all die the same way. Christians have been killed as martyrs since Steven in Acts. But most in different ways. For my money the only people now killing Christians in the way the Bible says is Muslims. They are doing it to other Muslims that don't believe the same way they do in Syria as we speak. It's on BBC news web site. I believe the Beast will be a Muslim and he will unite the Muslims to go against Israel. The Islamic AntiChrist, and Mideast Beast by Joel Richardson are two good books to read. He makes a pretty good case for this in a way that is very readable. Hey Islam is what is on my radar screen. He brings out stuff we could not know because of our America western world view. The Bible is a Mid East book, and the focus is Israel and the holy city Jersalem. Like it or not God has chosen that city and Jesus will return to earth there. He will defend Zion! Amen! :)
ReplyDeleteYou're right that John uses naos in Revelation 11, because he is referring to the spiritual temple of God, not a physical temple.
Delete“Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple (naos) of God, the altar, and those who worship there.” Revelation 11:1
The ‘reed like a measuring rod’ is the Word of God, the Little Book of Revelation 10.
The Greek for reed or rod is “kanon” = canon of holy scriptures. Kanon is also translated as rule, or measuring rod.
“But we will not boast of things without our measure, but according to the measure of the rule (kanon) which God hath distributed to us, a measure to reach even unto you.” 2 cor. 10:13
They were to measure the spiritual temple of God, not a physical temple.
God was telling His people to use the Word of God to determine who was the true church, the Temple of God; and who was the false church.
When Martin Luther measured the teachings of the Catholic Church against the Word of God, they were able to see that it is the false church.
They found no justification for a Pope or hierarchy of Archbishops and Bishops, just the five-fold ministry of the early church.
They found no place of purgatory, where people could be refined, so that they could go to heaven.
They learned that good works don’t earn salvation, they only testify to one’s faith in the Lord.
That they did not have to go to a confession box with a priest, but had direct access to Jesus the High Priest.
That bowing down to statues was forbidden.
That they didn’t have to count rosary beads, or pray to anyone like Mary, but only to the Father in Jesus name.
They found the simplicity of the Holy Communion, but no mass ceremony, and no wafer that supposedly becomes the body of Christ.
They discovered salvation by faith in Jesus sacrificial death and resurrection, not in works, and not through the Catholic Church.
They found that all of these things were strange and alien to the Word of God, and they testified that the Catholic Church was not Christ’ true church.
The result was that Martin Luther posted his 95 Thesis, which ignited the Protestant Reformation, where millions of people came out of the Catholic Church, to form the Protestant Churches.
You can read the whole Bible study on the Two Witnesses Of Revelation 12 Deception by clicking on my name.
To Anonymous - Re: Church affiliation and denying and not denying Christ.
DeleteWe must continue to study the clues God is giving us as events unfold. It is too soon to draw conclusions. If we do not develop a point of pride and continue to watch and pray, God will show us the truth in His time. All we can do right now is to diligently collect the pieces of the puzzle.
I have thoroughly investigated the topics you (Anonymous) have presented here and invested many hours studying the subject you present.
All information we receive must be under the submission of the Word of God or we will not be able to arrive at the truth.
Two things to consider:
1. It takes more than "not denying Christ" to enter the kingdom of God. The road to eternal life is much narrower than most people presume. Those who really belong to Him, will be following Him because they love His Word. That leaves many people out and puts them on the broad road. God is light and there is no darkness in Him. Ignorance is no excuse. He has given us His Holy Word. If we truly love Him we will be following His Word and not be associated with false religion of any sort. "By their fruits you will know them."
2. Things are not always what they may appear to be. We are now living in a time of great deception. Those who appear to be enemies, may really be working together.
If we ignore these two facts, we will come to many false conclusions.
The Word of God tells us what real Christianity will look like. What we are seeing today must measure up that.
I have carefully expounded this topic at my blogs. To locate this information, just click on my name at the top. . .May God continue to prepare us and bless us all with the truth of His Holy Word.
Yes a of d in temple in Jerusalem
DeleteThere are several parameters that the antichrist must fulfill, when we see them fulfilled then we will know and he will be revealed.
I agree that much deception abounds and many people's love is growing cold.
The reason that the word "temple" in John 2:20 is "naos" in the Greek, is because the Jews were repeating the exact word that Jesus used in John 2:19. Simple as that.
DeleteAs for the "abomination of desolation." it was the Roman army (who was an abomination to the Jews because of their pagan ways) that stood in the holy place of Jerusalem, who then desolated the temple, city and Jews.
Daniel 9:26-27 foretold that people would come against Jerusalem to desolate it.
In Luke 19:41-44, Jesus said, “Now as He drew near, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, “If you had known, even you, especially in this your day, the things that make for your peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. For days will come upon you when your enemies (the Romans) will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”
They should have known Daniel's 70 week prophecy to know exactly when the Messiah would appear.
The Parable of the Wedding Feast foretold that Jesus would send an army to destroy the Jews and Jerusalem, because they reject Him as their Messiah.
Matthew 22:7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.”
Jesus words in Matthew 23 confirm that this would occur within this generation, "Therefore, indeed, I send you prophets, wise men, and scribes: some of them you will kill and crucify, and some of them you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from city to city, that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah, son of Berechiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. Assuredly, I say to you, all these things will come upon this generation.
Luke 21:20-21 gives the definition of what the abomination of desolation is, as it is the corresponding passage to Matthew 24:15. “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her.”
Luke 21:24 confirms that this section of Jesus Olivet Discourse would be fulfilled in 70 A.D., not in the end times.
“And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations."
So let's look at the fulfillment of the abomination of desolation...
In 66 A.D., the Roman army led by Cestius surrounded the city, which was the “abomination of desolation” that Jesus warned the disciples about. All of the city would have seen this.
The historian Josephus says that Cestius then suddenly left the city for no reason. It was the hand of God. This happened because Jesus promised His disciples a way of escape, and they fled to Pella. Josephus did not record one death of a Christian at the hands of the Romans.
Then Titus led his army to surround Jerusalem, where they camped for 1,260 days.
During that time 100's of thousands of Jews died from infighting, famine and disease.
Then in 70 A.D., the Romans flooded the city and killed 100's of thousands of Jews by the sword, and 97,000 were taken and sold as slaves, fulfilling Daniel 9:26-27, and Luke 21:24
So the prophecy of the abomination of desolation has already been fulfilled.
You can read the whole study and the study on the fulfillment of Daniel 12 at http://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/
David-Hey, been there and done that! Worked with a Mennonite bro in Christ for a couple of years, we went round and round about the end times, and finally just agreed to disagree. Ha! :) He was pretty well a preterist too. So i know where you are coming from bro. We will just have to watch and wait. And if we don't see the Lord's return in our lifetime, God will straighten out both our erroneous thinking down the road. :) Major on the majors, agree to disagree on the rest, and pursue peace with all men is kinda where (I try) to be at. God will sort all the rest out. Merry Christmas! Going to be an interesting 2014!
DeleteA preterist is someone who believes that most prophecy was fulfilled in the 1st century and that Nero was the Antichrist.
DeleteI am a historicist, who believes that most prophecy has been fulfilled since Jesus first coming and will end at his second coming.
That's a more logical conclusion than believing the most prophecy is fulfilled during the last 7 or 3.5 years.
The context of the Olivet Discourse (Matt 24, Luke 21, Mark 13) is that Jesus just prophesied that the temple would be destroyed.
The disciples asked for more details on when that would occur, which Jesus explains.
He said there would be famine and pestilence, which was fulfilled from 66-70 A.D, when the Roman army surrounded the city, blocking food supplies.
Luke records that Jesus said that the army would surround Jerusalem, which is the matching verse to the abomination of desolation, so Luke gave us the definition. No need to speculate about it.
The pagan ways of the Romans were an abomination to the Jews. The Romans were their enemy.
Luke records that Jesus said that the Jews would die by the sword and be taken as slaves. Josephus documents that 100's of thousands of Jews died by the Roman sword and 97,000 were taken captive to be sold as slaves.
False prophets told the Jews that God would save them from the Romans, which didn't happen. So instead of surrendering to the Roman army, they resisted and were killed.
Jesus message was to those who were in Judea, not the whole world.
Jesus said that the event could happen on the Sabbath, which would have impeded the early church because the Jewish leaders laws, but it doesn't affect us today.
Jesus said there would be great tribulation.
100's of thousands died from famine, disease and infighting.
Dead bodies lied in the temple area.
10's of thousands were crucified when they snuck out at night to try to find food outside the city walls.
Nobody buried these bodies for fear of being killed, so there were 100's of thousands of dead bodies out in the open.
Then the Roman army killed 100's of thousands by the sword.
Sounds like a time of great tribulation to me.
Yet no Christian was killed, because they saw the Roman army under Cestius surround the holy city, standing where it should not. When the army retreated for no reason (other than the hand of God), the Christians made their escape.
History clearly explains the fulfillment of Jesus words.
So to say that none of Jesus prophecy in the Olivet Discourse has taken place is out of context.
Merry Christmas to you! 2014 is going to be very interesting indeed!
I guess you could call me a literalist. From The Coming Epiphany;
DeleteIn this book scripture will be interpreted according to the following principle: “When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.”[1] In other words, scripture will be interpreted literally unless it is evident that a symbolic interpretation is warranted by the text. Theological systems will then be evaluated in light of what the Bible says and not the other way around, as many books on this topic do.
One street FIGURATIVELY Sodom and Egypt and where the Lord was crucified.(Jerusalem). How does anyone explain 1 street in 3 places literally?
DeleteSpiritual meaning: Lust of the flesh(Sodom) lust if the eyes (Egypt), pride of life (where Jesus was CRUCIFIED)
I agree with you William that as time cycles on things hidden will come into focus and become more evident, with that being said there are three people on my watch list.
ReplyDeleteThey are Barack Obama, Prince William and Pope Francis, while there is nothing new in this list I can say after studying this matter thousands of hours the best advice I could give someone that has been called to watch is they need first a good understanding of scripture and secondly they need to understand the importance of what is going on in the sun, moon and stars.
Its to bad most people who are adept at discerning the things God has put into motion in the heavens never acknowledge the one who created them worshiping the creation instead of the creator.
I can not understate the importance of the lunar cycles in relation to Barack Obama
in particular, the progressed moon cycle dates of Barack Obama are incredible when cross referenced with the biblical calendar and how they relate time wise to other events.
The stock market crash on September 17, 2001/Elul 29 and of September 29th 2008/Elul 29 and even September 13 2015 Elul 29 all coincide with an ending of a progressed lunar cycle of Barack Obama.
March 5 2013/Purim will mark the end of the seventh total(Second lunar cycle full moon phase) progressed lunar cycle of Barack Obama, on March 13th 2015 will mark the second anniversary of the assentation of Pope Francis.
March 13th 2015 is the day of the 3rd Quarter(equal) moon standstill before the equinox(equal) total solar eclipse on March 20th 2015 at which point Prince William will be 11960 days old or one triple tritos period.
God, Bless
Scott
THX for the good info. And you are right about the signs in the heavens they are very important--at least the wise men thought so.
DeleteEl Hasan of Jordan still seems like most logical candidate for the man of perdition. Any reason to believe that's not the case?
ReplyDeleteThere are many scriptural parameters that the antichrist must fulfill, they are listed in Chapter 10 side linked above. I think we will not know until we see the prophecies fulfilled,
DeleteSome say the abomination of desolation occurred on March 23rd, 2013, when Obama visited the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem and stood in the grotto (birthplace of Christ). He stood and did not worship Christ.
ReplyDeleteI have heard that but I do not think it fits the scriptural parameters.
DeleteWell we're now in September 2015, the world situation is much worse, and looks like the corrupt powers at be are ramping up for a large scale war. Could the current situation usher in the Global governance and Antichrist? Guess we'll soon see.
ReplyDeleteI can't agree that seal 5 hasn't been opened. Martyrs have been dying since the days of Christ till now. Christians have always been and still are persecuted for their faith. We don't know when the appointed number will be met(rev6:11). 6th seal (rev6:12) has yet to happen - we haven't seen the sun turn black, moon become blood coloured, stars falling, sky receeding, mountains and islands out of place, etc.
ReplyDeleteThere have been Martyrs since the first century. Seal 5 occurs after the antichrist takes over the world, then Seal 6 and rapture.
DeleteMy spiritual understanding is that there is no rapture, the 1000 years have just about ended per today's date, the next and very imminent event is Jesus' second coming and judgment Then eternity. That's all folks! The antichrist as a single person is a deception and Satan is trying to get you to focus out there in the future so you miss what is happening in the present. There is no time stated for the length of the great tribulation. Daniel's 70 th week followed the 69th week in the natural. In the spiritual is a different matter as it is broken down 7 ,62,1 for the 70 weeks. The 2nd coming measured in jubilees. Best to not worry about the antichrist, keep eyes on Jesus and you won't go wrong. He might return any day.
DeleteYou are spiritualizing away the literal meaning of scripture. Seals 1-6 are coming then our deliverance via the rapture.
Deletewe are now into august of 2016. In your original article you stated that 2017 would possibly be the time when jesus returns. Jesus said in matthew that no man shall know the day or time of his return. Are we as christians somehow focusing too much on the time of his arrival? Do we sometimes see things has happening that arent really?
ReplyDeleteIf the A of D was in 2013 then 2nd coming in 2017, if A of D in 2014 then 2nd coming in 2018, if A of D in 2015 then 2nd Coming in 2019, if A of D in 2016 then 2nd coming in 2020, if A of D in 2017 then 2nd Coming in 2021...
DeleteI agree that no one knows the day or hour and teach that.
Are we as Christians some how focusing too much on pushing our agenda? Do we sometimes judge too quickly without reading and understanding what is written?
The sixth seal is the abomination that causes desolation.
ReplyDeletePreface of The Coming Epiphany
Delete"In this book scripture will be interpreted according to the following principle: “When the plain sense of scripture makes common sense, seek no other sense; therefore, take every word at its primary, ordinary, usual, literal meaning unless the facts of the immediate context, studied in the light of related passages and axiomatic and fundamental truths, indicate clearly otherwise.”[1] In other words, scripture will be interpreted literally unless it is evident that a symbolic interpretation is warranted by the text. Theological systems will then be evaluated in light of what the Bible says and not the other way around, as many books on this topic do."
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?