An End Times Conversation About The Rapture

An End Times Conversation About The Rapture

by William Frederick, M. Div.

Question: Do you believe the scriptures, God’s Holy Word, the Bible, are the final authority in all matters of doctrine?

Answer: Yes, of course I do.

Question: According to the scriptures below, is the rapture part of an event known as the Day of the Lord?

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

 

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

 

1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

 

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 1 Thes 4:15-5:2

1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,

 

2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 2 Thes 2:1,2

Answer: Yes, I see that the rapture is part of the Day of the Lord.

Question: According to the scriptures below, what happens before the Day of the Lord begins?

The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: Acts 2:20

Answer: The moon is turned to blood before the Day of the Lord begins.

Question: According to the scriptures below, when is the moon turned to blood?

And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:12

Answer: The moon is turned to blood after the Sixth Seal is opened.

Statement: I therefore conclude that according to scriptures, the rapture, as an event of the Day of the Lord, must occur after the moon is turned to blood, which occurs after the Sixth Seal is opened.

Question: According to the scriptures below, what do people see after the Sixth Seal is opened?

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

 

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

 

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

 

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

 

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Answer: They see the Lord.

Question: From your knowledge of scripture, during the end times when do people see the Lord?

Answer: At the rapture and at Armageddon.

Question: Which one of the two is the passage above referring to?

Answer: The Sixth Seal does not involve Armageddon, so it would have to be the rapture.

Question: If the scriptures clearly teach and confirm that the rapture will occur after the Sixth Seal is opened, then why don’t you believe it?

Answer: __________________________.

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What Prophecy Time Is It?

What prophecy time is it, or in other words where are we in the end times timeline? That is a good question, and I am not sure I know the exact answer, but here is what I do know.

On September 23, 2017 the Revelation 12 sign of the woman clothed with the sun occurred. This was shortly followed by another Revelation 12 sign concerning the “pained to be delivered” part of the passage. Now that these events have occurred, where does that leave us in the end times timeline?

The answer: Major end times events are pending, when exactly we do not know.

What end times events? Seals 1-4—not the rapture.

1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

5 And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.

6 And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.\

7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Notice that Seal 1 starts with a noise like thunder; “and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder.” In my mind this could be the noise of an explosion of some sort, possibly even nuclear. Thus an explosion may signal the opening of Seal 1.

With all the war posturing and rhetoric between North Korea and the USA, and the looming possibility of a nuclear conflict, a nuclear incident could easily fit the bill for a Seal 1 starting event. And when the Seal 1 “thunder” event occurs it will mark the beginning of the enactment of the plan to take over the world.

After Seal 1 is opened and the “thunderous” event occurs it will most likely quickly escalate into WW3—Seal 2. This will then be followed by a worldwide financial collapse—Seal 3. Which would then be followed by the death of 25% of the world’s population by various means, including pandemics—Seal 4.

Then the antichrist would step onto the scene and save the world from its problems. He would then take over the world and begin persecuting Jews and Christians—Seal 5—the great tribulation.

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Thankfully God will then rescue true Christians out of this great tribulation via the rapture after Seal 6 is opened.

12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Notice that the Seal 6 passage includes Jesus being seen in the sky by the people of the earth. This is because He has just come to the clouds at the rapture.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

As to the exact timing of when these events might occur, your guess is as good as mine, all I know is that with the occurrence of the Revelation 12 sign, Seal 1 could happen at any time—it is imminent. This scenario is echoed in Luke 21.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven…

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Luke 21

Have you prepared for the Seals? Remember God will not do for you what He has given you the power to do for yourself.

Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Luke 21:36

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William Frederick is an end times Bible prophecy researcher who has written a must read prophecy book entitled The Coming Epiphany which is available in paperback and for the Kindle on Amazon.com and for FREE download at his website.

He has also cracked the hidden codes on the dollar bill that have staggering implications which are explained in his book The Dollar Code; also available in paperback and for the Kindle on Amazon.com.