tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post2152568224782931992..comments2024-03-29T03:16:07.571-04:00Comments on The End Times Forecaster: Sixth Seal RaptureWilliam Frederick, M. Div.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08839681610026964795noreply@blogger.comBlogger146125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-64526841760878180302023-10-30T15:06:11.459-04:002023-10-30T15:06:11.459-04:00Thank you for your response William. Can you pleas...Thank you for your response William. Can you please give me your insight as to what passages in scripture about predestination mean like " Those whose names were written in the lambs book of life before the foundation of the world mean ?" , because it seems to imply that no matter what we do, our destiny is already written......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-25766668359702757192023-10-29T20:21:13.317-04:002023-10-29T20:21:13.317-04:00That is great, were you taught that or did God rev...That is great, were you taught that or did God reveal it to you?William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08839681610026964795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-80320562200969338492023-10-29T19:45:08.686-04:002023-10-29T19:45:08.686-04:00CorrectCorrectAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-64435150899194689312023-10-29T19:37:06.467-04:002023-10-29T19:37:06.467-04:00I am 56 whole my life i believed the rapture is at...I am 56 whole my life i believed the rapture is at the sixth seal.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-78749908875777211472023-10-29T13:37:06.806-04:002023-10-29T13:37:06.806-04:00In studying the passages describing the rapture th...In studying the passages describing the rapture there is no indication that the words use convey death, but being caught up or taken. If God wanted to tell us it was by death He could have used those words but He choose to use words that indicated a catching up.William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08839681610026964795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-6101637849682923072023-10-28T10:51:26.457-04:002023-10-28T10:51:26.457-04:00I was wondering William when the time of the raptu...I was wondering William when the time of the rapture comes at the 6th seal, the scripture does not necessarily say how it will occur. I sense most people think they will be raptured or just disappear like in a movie, but I disagree. There are many ways our God can remove us from this earth at the rapture. We can just not wake up from our sleep, we can just die from different health problems etc. The way God will decide to remove the Christians is not specified in scripture so it could be done in many different ways by our creator....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-87807961628371293272021-11-12T05:30:03.056-05:002021-11-12T05:30:03.056-05:00Will do thanks.
Will do thanks.<br />Charles Dubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08489412216182395876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-22330587441073777172021-11-03T18:21:26.081-04:002021-11-03T18:21:26.081-04:00email meemail meWilliam Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08839681610026964795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-66297663705921948382021-11-03T09:59:41.238-04:002021-11-03T09:59:41.238-04:00Frederick Greetings.
Its been long since there ha...Frederick Greetings.<br /><br />Its been long since there has been exchange on this subject. Are you available to answer some questions that have come up after reviewing the 6th Seal Rapture. Charles Dubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08489412216182395876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-10954855971891910432020-09-28T15:17:49.708-04:002020-09-28T15:17:49.708-04:00When studying Revelation and prophesy in general w...When studying Revelation and prophesy in general we should all keep in mind that these books were not written from a "Western" mindset. Although written in Greek, John was a Hebrew and had a Hebrew mindset. The "Greek" (Western) mindset is one of linear logic where things are listed in chronological order. The Hebrew mind uses "Block Logic" where like things are grouped together. To the Greek mind, this happens, then this and then this... it's a "when" grouping or listing. To a Hebrew mind this this and this happened, this this and this happened. Things are grouped together by "what" not when. For example Revelation 12 is a vision of the bride of Christ spanning from the patriarchs of the twelve tribes of Israel to the very last of the Christians. It's one of many separate visions not something that takes place after chapter twelve. I think if we write down the 7 seals, trumps and bowls/vials in three columns and compare them it would be enlightening. How many times can all the Islands and mountains be moved out of their place? How many times can the heavens be opened up or depart as a scroll rolled up revealing the throne of God?<br /><br />For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?<br />Revelation 6:17<br /><br />And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.<br />Revelation 8:1<br /><br />Ever wondered about that silence? If the inhabitants had all gone down to earth it would be pretty quiet wouldn't it? Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999057382633471360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-83710463138145782222020-07-23T20:15:01.613-04:002020-07-23T20:15:01.613-04:00"Come, My people, enter thou into thy chamber..."Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation (tribulation) be overpast. For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain.…" Isaiah 26:20-21<br /><br />It is easy to see from these verses that God's wrath is being talked about. God's wrath begins after the opening of Seal 6.<br /><br />15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;<br /><br />16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:<br /><br />17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08839681610026964795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-40656188246552482202020-07-23T20:12:12.242-04:002020-07-23T20:12:12.242-04:00What About Revelation 3:10?
Some pre-trib adherent...What About Revelation 3:10?<br />Some pre-trib adherents make further claims, citing Revelation 3:10<br />as evidence that God will not only keep the Christian from His wrath, but<br />will also keep them from the hour of temptation—that is, the entire 70th<br />Week: “Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep<br />thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to<br />try them that dwell upon the earth.” However, a careful examination of the<br />Greek used in this passage actually shows that the passage supports the<br />view that believes that the rapture will occur at the sixth seal.<br />Robert Van Kampen, in The Rapture Question Answered Plain &<br />Simple, has made a thorough analysis of this verse. Let us examine a few<br />excerpts from that section.<br />When the underlying Greek text is studied carefully, comparing<br />Scripture with Scripture, we will discover that the “hour of testing”<br />refers specifically to that time associated with antichrist’s<br />persecution. . . . More importantly we will see that the Greek words <br />67<br />underlying our English translations argue that this terrible time of<br />testing cannot be the wrath of God, but must be the wrath of satan. .<br />. . If the Greek word peirasmos, as used in the Revelation 3:10<br />passage, is compared to its use in other New Testament passages,<br />we will see that the “hour of testing” cannot refer to the wrath of<br />God but, quite the opposite, to the wrath of satan. . . . They all say<br />the same thing: satan is the source of all peirazo, not God. Like the<br />logical argument, the biblical argument from scripture<br />demonstrates that the “hour of testing” in Rev. 3:10 cannot refer to<br />the wrath of God but, by definition, must be the wrath of satan.32<br />Another phrase in Revelation 3:10 that we need to consider is “will<br />keep thee from.” The Greek phrase used here is tereo ek. Van Kampen has<br />this to say about that phrase:<br />Tereo ek, is used in conjunction, can only refer to guarding or<br />protecting those who persevere while they are within the sphere of<br />danger, and then bringing them safely out from the midst of that<br />danger. Thus the meaning of the text is clear. Tereo ek should be<br />translated, “a watchful protection within the sphere of danger, with<br />a safe deliverance out from the midst of it.33<br />Combining the analysis of the Greek into a translation of Revelation<br />3:10 yields a rendering that shows that the Christian will not be spared<br />from the great tribulation, but will be rescued out of it:<br />Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will rescue<br />you out of the midst of the hour of satan’s temptation, the great<br />tribulation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that<br />dwell upon the earth.<br />So the analysis of the Greek in Revelation 3:10 does not support a<br />pre-trib view, but supports a pre-wrath view of the rapture.<br /><br />32 Robert Van Kampen, The Rapture Question Answered Plain & Simple, (GranWilliam Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/08839681610026964795noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-26830111030221781072020-07-23T14:30:58.928-04:002020-07-23T14:30:58.928-04:00"Because you have kept the word of My patienc..."Because you have kept the word of My patience, I (Jesus) will also keep you from the hour of trial coming upon the whole earth, to test them that are on the earth." Revelation 3:10<br />"Come, My people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation (tribulation) be overpast. For behold, the LORD is about to come out from His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; And the earth will reveal her bloodshed And will no longer cover her slain.…" Isaiah 26:20-21<br />FreeSpirithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04644526326740210870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-39864226747880473682020-07-23T14:28:07.039-04:002020-07-23T14:28:07.039-04:00The 6th Seal rapture theory does not agree with Re...The 6th Seal rapture theory does not agree with Revelation 3:10.<br />or Psalm 27:5, or Isaiah 26:20-21 or the Parable of the Wise Virgins, Matthew 25, or Zephaniah 2:3<br />"Pray always that you might be counted worthy to escape ALL THESE THINGS that are coming to pass and to stand before the Son of Man." Luke 21:36<br />"I will deliver you from the hand of the wicked and redeem you from the grasp of the ruthless." Jer 15:21<br />"Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought His judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD'S anger." Zephaniah 2:3<br />When did God save Noah and his family from the flood? Before..during...or after? When did God save Lot and his family from the fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? Before...during...or after? Jesus said Himself that His coming would be just as in the days of Noah and Lot. <br />Our tendency to put God in a 12 oz. can with our peanut sized brain, might preclude us from realizing these things.<br />“For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, Now I will arise,” says the LORD; “I will set him in the safety for which he yearns.” Psalm 12:5<br />Jesus is returning for His BRIDE..THE FAITHFUL ELECT/WISE VIRGINS -Matt 25<br />THE WORLD will not see Jesus when He comes for His Bride... that is why He said BE READY, as He will come like a "THIEF in the NIGHT" 2 Peter 3:10<br />The Second Coming of Christ will come at the Battle of Armageddon.... This time EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM COMING IN GLORY..IT IS AT THIS TIME THAT EVERY KNEE WILL BOW AND TONGUE CONFESS JESUS IS LORD TO THE GLORY OF GOD....<br />It is crystal clear that these are two different events. <br /><br /><br />FreeSpirithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04644526326740210870noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-45144654483531945732019-10-05T22:05:49.893-04:002019-10-05T22:05:49.893-04:00Yes, In The Coming Epiphany, I label Seals 1 to 4 ...Yes, In The Coming Epiphany, I label Seals 1 to 4 as tribulation, Seal 5 Great tribulation and Seals 6 to bowl 7 as the wrath of God.William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02021392738273764690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-51362822545338762102019-10-04T04:44:48.038-04:002019-10-04T04:44:48.038-04:00Yes the Rapture is after the Tribulation and occur...Yes the Rapture is after the Tribulation and occurs at the opening of the 6th Seal as William has pointed out again and again. See the scriptures in Revelation 7:9-18 as indicated above. The Multitude from every tongue, kindred, people and nation come out of Tribulation, the Great One! as John is told by the elder.<br /><br />William, since the Great Tribulation starts at the Abomination of Desolation I think the labels should be 1. Tribulation - Seals 1 to 4; Great Tribulation Seal 5 then 6 th Seal which ends the Great Tribulation and starts 3. The War on the saints as per Daniel 7:25, Revelation 12:17, etc.Charles Dubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08489412216182395876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-15080120028227123302019-10-02T16:25:56.723-04:002019-10-02T16:25:56.723-04:00You are correct, the rapture is after the tribulat...You are correct, the rapture is after the tribulation. The tribulation is seals 1 to 5. Seal 6 begins the wrath of God. Rapture is after opening of seal 6.William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02021392738273764690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-73784146114107390432019-10-02T15:18:58.033-04:002019-10-02T15:18:58.033-04:00You Guys it is Written, Jesus says in Mark 13;24 B...You Guys it is Written, Jesus says in Mark 13;24 But in those days after the tribulation the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light, the stars of heaven will falland the powers in the heavens will be shaken. then they will see the Son of Man coming in the cloudswith great power and glory. It clearly says after the tribulation!<br /><br />Kirky.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04535947908122003861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-33612337120022210812019-09-16T21:51:04.275-04:002019-09-16T21:51:04.275-04:00Good to hear from you again Charles.Good to hear from you again Charles.William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02021392738273764690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-84919872285240241442019-09-16T21:50:18.937-04:002019-09-16T21:50:18.937-04:00Rapture in Revelation 4?
Finally, another very wea...Rapture in Revelation 4?<br />Finally, another very weak argument put forth by pre-trib adherents is that they say that the raptured saints are clearly seen in Revelation 4 and 5: “And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands” (Rev. 5:11). The scene depicted in Revelation 4 and 5 occurs before the seals are opened. Therefore, they conclude, the rapture occurs before the 70th Week. <br />They also claim that Revelation 4:1 is the trumpet that sounds at the rapture and John who went up to heaven at the time is symbolic of the rapture: “After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.” Scripture does not support these assertions. First, scripture tells us that the voice only sounds like a trumpet, not that a trumpet is sounding. If it were a trumpet sounding, scripture would have said that. Secondly, nowhere does it mention any saints in this scene besides the 24 elders. All listed as being present in this scene are angels, beasts, and the 24 elders. That is it. One cannot assume that the 100 trillion are made up of raptured saints. God tells us who is present, and to conclude otherwise is an assumption that is not supported by the text. Therefore, scripture in no way supports the notion that raptured saints are present in Revelation 4 and 5. <br />The raptured saints do, however, appear in scripture in Revelation 7: <br /><br />After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands . . . And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. (Rev. 7:9–15) [italics mine]<br /><br />These are the raptured saints, not the elders, beasts, and angels of Revelation 4 and 5.<br />William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02021392738273764690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-14837399648376344672019-09-16T11:57:57.450-04:002019-09-16T11:57:57.450-04:00We have read Revelation 5. Verses 8-10 refer to &q...We have read Revelation 5. Verses 8-10 refer to "the prayers of the saints" NOT that the saints are in heaven at this point in the prophecy. Read Revelation 7:9-17 which describes the pre-Wrath Rapture.<br /><br />You really need to look at the structure of the book as per my earlier comments. Charles Dubehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08489412216182395876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-3774556243850747572019-09-15T20:50:11.133-04:002019-09-15T20:50:11.133-04:00Have you guys read Revelation 5? This debunks this...Have you guys read Revelation 5? This debunks this whole pre wrath rapture argument for me. How can the redeemed by the blood of the lamb be up in heaven before the seals are opened? See it makes no sense to me then. This is a strong set of verses for pre-trib rapture. The dead and the remaining alive are raptured at the same time we know this from the other books. So how u explain this. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06882460716960326223noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-17178181944133173652019-08-15T20:15:11.672-04:002019-08-15T20:15:11.672-04:00Exactly God's wrath does not begin until after...Exactly God's wrath does not begin until after the Sixth Seal is opened and the rapture occursWilliam Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02021392738273764690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-33870894775983454312019-08-15T07:46:21.924-04:002019-08-15T07:46:21.924-04:00https://robertdunnendtimeprophecyinsights.wordpres...https://robertdunnendtimeprophecyinsights.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/we-bride-of-christ-wise-virgins-are-not-appointed-unto-wrath-which-begins-at-revelation-617/Bob Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14705711190009273270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7263642883069970148.post-70275864709679291702018-10-06T19:37:25.644-04:002018-10-06T19:37:25.644-04:00You have made some good points, I pray that people...You have made some good points, I pray that people's eyes would be opened to the rapture after the opening of Seal 6. It is so clear to me, I am amazed that more people cannot see it.William Frederick, M. Div.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02021392738273764690noreply@blogger.com