Thursday, October 13, 2011

The 2016 Files--The Two Witnesses


Continuing with "The 2016 Files..."

The Two Witnesses

The two witnesses, discussed earlier in this book, have an important role to play in the end times and the span of their ministry provides us with another end times chronological parameter. Their ministry is described in Rev 11:3-15.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven. The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Many over the years have debated their identity. My study of scripture has led me to believe that they may be Elijah and John. Elijah is the prophet who is to return to earth before the Lord returns (Mal 4:5,6), and John was told that he was to prophesy again (Rev 10:11).

These two witnesses--whoever they turn out to be--will prophesy and proclaim God’s message of salvation and repentance to the world from Jerusalem. They will also have power, like Moses before Pharaoh, to inflict the world with many judgments. The timing of their ministry has also been debated. However if you look to the end of Revelation 11, you will notice that right after the witnesses die and are resurrected, the second woe is past. The three woes are the last three trumpet judgments. Thus, their work on earth ends between the 6th and 7th trumpet judgment. (The last 30 days before Armageddon are for the seventh trumpet judgment, which consists of the seven bowl judgments.) Thus with their 1260 day ministry ending at the latest at day 2490 this would place the start of their ministry sometime before day 1230.

We also know that the 2 witnesses are to die and their bodies will lie in the street for 3½ days, which may be part of the 1260 they are allotted to minister or may be outside of it. If the 3½ days are part of the 1260 days and they are killed on day 2490 then their ministry would end on day 2494 and start on day 1234.

Jewish tradition places the return of Elijah to occur during a Passover Seder. So if that tradition has merit and Elijah is one of the two witnesses then their 1,260-day ministry will start on the feast of Passover after the abomination of desolation and continue for 1260 days and end at most on day 2494. So if the 2 witnesses are to start their ministry on Passover, are there any years in the near future, based on the calculated possible start dates for the 70th week (from The Coming Epiphany), that Passover would fall before or on day 1234?


 
The only year in the next 10 years that Passover falls on or before day 1234 would be for the year 2013, which corresponds with the 70th week beginning on Nov 10, 2009.

Thus; if the “2 days” have ended, and if the Second Coming of Christ and the end of the 70th week aligns with the Feast of Trumpets, and if Elijah is one of the 2 witnesses and he will start his 1260 day ministry on Passover, and if their ministry will start at the latest on day 1234 then 2009 is the only year in the next 10 years that the 70th week could begin. I am not saying that the 70th week began in 2009, what I am saying is that if the above assumptions are true then the only year in the next 10 years that the 70th week could begin is 2009 and then the Second Coming would be in 2016.

37 comments:

  1. Hello William,

    Blessings to you and your own. Thanks for the post. In today's times it can be very hard keeping your eye on the prize which is the TRUTH of the written word of God.

    With all the hoopla over Elenin, Planet X, The Global collapse of economies, the current state of the M.E it's easy to assume that we are farther along than we
    actually are.

    I do believe it is very possible that we ARE in the midst of Daniels 70th week. I look forward to the awakening of the Two Witness's. The Heavens ARE proclaiming His Name. All one needs to do is look up. You can see the changes in the Stars, Sun and Moon.

    Please pray for me and our Brothers and Sisters who seek the Truth, that we would be led to a place of righteousness and understanding before His throne, that we wouldn't be swallowed up in the New Age deception flooding the media and city streets. May Gods will Be done and may we remain focused on the prize, an eternal relationship with our Heavenly Father.

    Much Love, and In HIS GLORIOUS name....

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    1. Understanding Daniels prophecy of 70 weeks: ( The angel told Daniel that it was years ) It was broken down to 62 & 7 with a week of years left out or not described. the 62 x 7 = 434 years was from the time the 2nd Temple was dedicated in 406bc on Day of Atonement to the Messiac, ( Messiac in Daniel is 2 different types of Messiac, not one, the 1st in the 62 is a Anointing Prince, the 2nd is an Anointed King ) So the Messiac, Anointing Prince came & was a teacher for 3 1/2 years and was cut off!
      The 2nd was 7 x 7 = 49 years after the city was rebuilt! 1967 6 day war the holy city was taken over and the city was rebuilt with a year to the prophecy standards, this would bring use to 2017 as the return of the Messiac the Anointed King! God has the sun, moon and stars as His moeds ( Appointed times ) on Wednesday 4-14-32ad a holy blood red moon started at 11:56 am during the Passover of the death of the Messiac
      this was 3 1/2 years after He started on Day of Atonement that was exactly 434 years after the dedication of the 2nd Temple, 9-30-17 a Sabbath Saturday is Day of Atonement a Sabbath moed to God ( Yahshua is King of the Sabbath ) He will return after the 100th blast that is always on Day of Atonement! the last half of the week left out or 7 years is 3 1/2 years for the adversary ( Satan ) to do His bidding, He starts very soon, during the last 1290 days, The Witnesses Eljah & John the disciple of the Messiac may start on 4-15-14 during the blood red moon eclipse,
      that startes the last holy tetrad of blood red moons for the nect 500 years!
      after the Messiac left there has been 7 holy tetrads of blood red moons, the 5th was during a war of Israel just after they became a nation in 1948 on 1949/1950, the 6th holy tetrad was 167/1968 when Israel took over the holy city and rebuilt it a final 8th is 2014/2015 to mark the world at war ( ww3 ) the sign in a temple in Egypt is set for 9-20-17 & the sign in Heaven is on 9-23-17 of the women, all to mark the return of the Messiac the Anointed King! This the info that God showed me when i asked and read
      the Word of God and listened to His Word in the body of Messiac! God Bless!

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    2. Thank you for sharing, I am also looking to 2017 as the most probable year of the Second Coming with the evil one arising soon. If this is the case this would place the rapture 2014-2016.

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    3. One more thing to look at when trying to find the start date, Yah said that He would shorten time, Plus He never changes what He has already said!
      At the onset of the 4th Trumpet time on earth is changed from 24 hour days to 16 hour days ( 1/3 less sun, moon & stars ) But the signs in Heaven do not change, So Sept 23rd 2017 sign of the women in Heaven will still be then. Time from the start to the 4th Trumpet will be 24 hour days & after the 4th Trumpet will be 16 hour days. If the 4th Trumpet is at the beginning, the beginning would be Feast of Week's 2015 & there would be 1260 16 hour days to Sept 2017, if months & years do not change! this would also be a time and a season ( 1 year & a moed - appointed time ) of ww3 from April 2014! So we need to be found watching & praying until the end! For only Yah knows the Hour!
      Never give up, Yah is true to His Word! Yah Bless

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  2. A Lad

    Thank you for your encouraging comment. It was like a drink of cool water in a desert.

    I think the tell tale sign of if we are in the 70th week will be WWIII followed by the antichrist and abomination of desolation.

    AMEN to your prayer, and may God bless you.

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  3. Hello William,

    I was thinking more about 2009 as the beginning of the 70th week but am having difficulty sorting out the math in which you are suggesting the 2nd Coming being 2016. Your thoughts on the Rapture being anywhere from 2013 to 2015 could be true, however, if you add 3.5 years to 2009, it comes out to 2012.5. This would be the Mid-Point of the Tribulation when the antichrist sets up his reign in the Temple (the Abomination of Desolation). Of course we could extend some latitude of a few months and maybe 2013 would be a closer guess-timate.

    I have thought about the 70-year period of judgment and suffering in the Bible though (i.e. the Babylonian Captivity lasted 70 years) and if you add 70 years to 1948, it comes to 2018 as being the end of the 7 years and the 2nd Coming. When you subtract 7 years from 2018, it comes out to this year, 2011, as the beginning of the 70th week. Just think for a moment ...we are on the verge of worldwide economic collapse, a 3rd WW in the Mideast, and catastrophic weather that only looks to get worse. The world is crying out for sound leadership and the coming of the antichrist is imminent. All of this assumes a Mid-Trib Rapture, which is what I believe you are putting forth. If we add 3.5 years to 2011, we get 2014.5 and that date looks close to what you are saying, placing it near 2015.

    But if we use 2009, and the Rapture happens some time after 2012.5, (as you say somewhere between 2013-2015) then we would be saying that the Church would see the rise of antichrist and lots of the wrath of God in the last 3.5 years. For example, a 2015 Rapture is only 1 year from the 2nd Coming using your date estimates.

    I do not believe the Church is destined to see the wrath of God on this world.

    Also, let's remember the verse in Revelation 13:5 that the antichrist has been extended only 42 months to reign (or 1,260 days if you use the prophetic calendar of 30 days per month as the Bible contains).
    So anyone alive at the time the antichrist sets himself up in the Temple can begin crossing off days on the calendar, knowing that on the 1,260th day, Jesus will come to Earth the 2nd time.

    I am only offering this as a suggestion for consideration. After all, no one can say anything with any true precision as to the day or hour, though we can know the season. And we are definitely in the season!

    Thanks for dedicating yourself to being a watchman. There is much to learn. God bless your efforts.

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    1. June 7,1967 was the "command to restore and build Jerusalem".
      Thus 2017 for the end is correct.

      Also the 6 day war, 5 June 1967 (start) was the start of the last Jubilee, so 1967 + 50 = 2017.

      We are told in Daniel that Jesus returns in the 69th week (2016)so that makes it clear that the wrath of God follows that, as it was in the days of Noah... He was taken into the ark and the waters came and destroyed the wicked and they (Noah and his family the ones that was not deviled) received the new earth...

      So will it be for the ones that believes that Jesus' blood has made them free and without blemish.

      Even so Jesus come...

      Amen

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    2. I firmly believe that the rapture will follow the sixth seal. After the rapture the wrath of God will be poured out upon the world. This will be followed by the Second Coming. The prophetic data that I have looked at points to the rapture 2013-15 and the Second Coming in late 2016.

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    3. Enoch, who tasted not death, who was declared righteous prior to the birth of Ibrahim and thus "non-Jew" , who witnessed the fall of the deceiver and the chaos wrought by the fallen sons of God during the age of Noe', shall be the "Gentile" witness who shall stand against the upcoming New Age deceptions, witnessing against the Nephilim and other heavenly authorities; Enoch is the first witness.
      Moses, who was denied entry into the promised land for his error, of the nation if Israel, because he is a friend of God as it is written, who appeared with Christ on the Mount of Transfiguration, whom God shall not allow that he not enter His rest, for God is merciful, shall like his Lord be perfected unto obedience through the sufferings of Christ and shall thus enter Gods rest; Moses is the second witness, witness to Israel.
      Glory to the Most High God, righteous in his deeds.

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  4. Mijerhop

    The math for 2009: start Nov 2009 + 3.5 years takes you to approx May 2013.

    I believe in a prewrath rapture. That God will rapture us before His wrath is poured out on the world. This will be after the abomination of desolation and after the sixth seal is opened. so if the 70th week started in 2009 then that would place the rapture in the 2013-15 range.

    And yes the antichrist is allotted 3.5 years to rule and we can count from his start date to know when the Second coming will be.

    I would reccomend reading The Coming Epiphany--I think it will answer a lot of your questions.

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  5. Dear Sir,
    Have you read the documents called the book of jubilee?

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  6. I think I may have read about a few passages a long time ago.

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  7. Dear Sir,
    Do you think it is possible, that the witnes migth have something to do with A. and E.?

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  8. dear Sir,
    Do you know the documents called The life of Adam and Eve?
    Do you know the documents called - Tholedoth Adam- and the document called Sepher hajasher?
    Greatings from
    Roargaenger 33

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  9. No, I am not familar with them. I hold the Bible supreme--the only spiritual authority.

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  10. dear Sir,
    If the Bible is the only spirituel authority, then what to do with the profecy of Rabbi Judah Ben Samuel.
    Greatings from
    Roargaenger 33

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  11. There are many extra Biblical information sources. Like the news, archeaology, or science. All extra Biblical information must be evaluated in light of scripture. The Bible is the final authority in all amtters that it concerns.

    The Rabbi prophecy is a peice of information that points to a 2016 return--that is all. If it can be trusted it points to 2016, if not then it is invalid.

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  12. Has anyone read the book written in 1902 by J. H. Allen titled
    "Judah's Scepter and Joseph's Birthright"?

    I can not disprove it as it connects so many scriptures in both the new and old testament.It changes how prophecy affects the U.S.A
    It has to do with the many contracts God made with Abraham that have not been fulfilled. See Genesis 17:4-9, 15:5, 23:16-18 and there is a prophecy to Rebekah 24:60.

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    1. THX for your input, I have never heard of that book before. I believe America is end times Babylon.

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  13. Pure Hogwash . Christ is not coming back to this earth. The two witnesses are you and the Holy Ghost. Remember? The Holy Ghost of Fire will speak through you that is if you have been baptized in the Holy Ghost if not you will not have the right words to say for that moment and time.

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    1. God tells us in Hs Word that He will come back. God's Word is authoritative.

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  14. The two witnesses prophesy for 1260 days "CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH"; what about them "prophesying in normal clothing before their 1260 day, fully empowered ministry actually begins"; isn't that possible? "And I will give power to my two witnesses", means "they are already established as His two witnesses" -before they are fully empowered.
    Yes they die in Jerusalem where their Savior was crucified, but it seems to me they can prophesy from anywhere using the current status of technology. Saying they will prophesy from Jerusalem or the wailing wall is an assumption.
    Revelation 8:13, "an eagle flying in midair prophesying to the inhabitants of the earth" could represent one of the two witnesses as the "president of the United States using our current technology" which gives him a loud voice that is "transmitted"; or "flying through the heavens".
    ---But it surely isn't Obama!---
    God needs to remove all our evil judges and legislators and replace them with Godly men and women who will legislate righteousness and uphold the Biblical precepts our founding father held dear to their hearts!

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    1. The appearing of the two witnesses is a bit mysterious. Jewish tradition says that Elijah will drink the last cup at passover. He may be one of them and he may appear then.

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  15. I love Jesus also, and yes you are correct. The two witnesses must come first, everyone I have noticed is not looking for them. They seem to want Jesus return so bad they don't realize they have to wait 1,260 day after Elijah & Moses. And yes you are correct that they have no power yet, they actual sit in human bound shackles. Not physical shackles, they are slaves to the system just like you are. We are all slaves to the system, unless you name is Rothschild, Warburg or Rockafeller. And a few others.

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    1. Yes the two witnesses must prophesy 1260 days before the second coming, during their ministry the rapture will occur, after the sixth seal is opened.

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  16. so if it is not 2013 when is the next date after that then?

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  17. If 4/22/13 is not the midpoint, the I would look for a Second Coming 2017-2019--there is a lot of prophecy data saying we are close.

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  18. Ok it is April 2013, and we don't see the witnesses.

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  19. They may not come on the scene till closer to the midpoint 4/22/13. Or it may be an indication that the Second Coming will not be 2016. We will soon find out.

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  20. For your consideration;

    The Two Witnesses

    As Moses and his brother Aaron cried out before the first Exodus, “Let My people go,” soon, the Two Witnesses (Rev 11:3) will also cry out for 3.5 years before the 2nd Exodus, “Let My people go!”

    Will they also be brothers? Moses and Aaron are a type of or forerunner of the Two Witnesses.

    Moses and Aaron brought physical Israel out of bondage to the physical Promised Land for a test of obedience.

    The Two Witnesses will bring physical Israel out of bondage to the physical Promised Land, and finally the Spiritual Promised Land, The Kingdom of God.

    The Two Witnesses will be in Jerusalem for 3 ½ years, crying out and calling down plagues, as did Moses and Aaron, attempting to force the Beast Power and the False Prophet to free the captives. But just as in the Days of Moses it will take Jesus Christ to set them free. This is the same 3 ½ years of the reign of the Beast Power. The same 3 1/2 years that the Beast and the False Prophet make war with God's Saints here on earth -- and overcomes them. How does that work with the rapture??

    If you have not heard of the 2nd Exodus read these scriptures,

    Isaiah 11:11 -16

    11 “And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.”

    Vs 12 And He shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the out casts of Israel and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the 4 corners of the earth

    Skipping to vs 16 "And there shall be an HIGHWAY FOR THE REMNANT OF HIS PEOPLE which shall be left from Assyria like as it was to Israel in the day that He came up out of the land of Egypt".

    They came up from Egypt in the first exodus. they come from Assyria for the 2nd.

    Isaiah 35:8; Jeremiah 16: 14, 15; Ezekiel 39: 23-28; Isaiah 27:13; Isaiah 61: 1.

    Reading Ezekiel chapters 5 and 6 will explain how the Whole House of Israel will be taken into captivity. Possibly, before the 5th Seal is opened, the House of Israel will be afflicted with a financial crash followed by famine and diseases causing one third to die. As the 5th Seal begins, the Beast Power invades with a hired army and without much effort kill another third, The remaining third are taken into captivity and scattered around the earth.

    The House of Israel (10 tribes) is mainly composed of a Great Nation and a Company of Nations. Read all the promises to Abraham and Jacob.

    The House of Israel for the most part come from Jacob's son Joseph. Ephraim and Manassas are Joseph's two sons that received the blessing above. The two sons that now measure in the hundreds of millions ( as promised to Abraham) are very soon going into captivity. I wonder if this has something to do with America? The Great Multitude makes the 2nd Exodus to Jerusalem to receive the promise of the Promised Land.

    The Promise of Jesus Christ "You SHALL know the truth and the truth SHALL make you free". Christ is saying if you ask Him He will show you if the above is truth or more mindless babbling.

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    1. Very interesting about the 2 witnesses possibly being Moses and Aaron.

      I think the Jews will flee into the wilderness and be protected and provided there during the war against Christians and Jews during the 5th seal by the antichrist.

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  21. The two witnesses that God has chosen, are two simple brothers who are not highly educated in the eyes of the world. They know with all of their hearts, only through God's grace and empowerment, will all that they have been promised, come to pass. For as the Lord of the All the Earth has told both of them. Not by your might, or by your power, but by MY Spirit saith the Lord, shall all things be accomplished. From the beginning, some twenty years ago. God warned us both. The evil one knows who you are! And, he knows the great damage that will result from the testimony that will go forth. May the Lord Jesus Christ receive all praise glory and honor. Not by might, nor by power, but by MY Spirit saith the Lord!

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    1. Many have claimed that they are one of the two witnesses. We will know when we see them fulfill the prophecies.

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  22. unfortunately, we as humans have a love for the dramatic and fantastical, but i think a better understanding is found in a historical interpretation, which was universally accepted until the entertainment industry grabbed us all about a hundred years ago.for an alternative view to many of these prophecies i would suggest a friend's website. http://insight2bp.homestead.com/

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